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nausic a écrit : Voilà ce que dit al-Baladhuri ( poète arabe du 9è-me siècle après jésus christ que certains voient comme un historien alors qu il n était qu un fonctionnaire religieux et propagandiste dont le livre a été reconstitué en 1924 et qui reprend en fait la Sirat ) a propops d emese :


The enemy routed. The battle of Ajnadin * ensued. In
this battle about 100,000 Greeks took part, the majority of
whom were massed one band after the other by Heraclius
[Hirakl], the rest having come from the neighboring dis-
tricts. On that day, Heraclius was in Hims [Emesa].
Against this army, the Moslems fought a violent battle, and
Khalid ibn-al-Walid particularly distinguished himself. At
last, by Allah's help, the enemies of Allah were routed and
shattered into pieces, a great many being slaughtered.

The martyrs. Those who suffered martyrdom on that
day were 'Abdallah ibn-az-Zubair ibn-'Abd-al-Muttalib ibn-
Hashim, 'Amr ibn-Sa'id ibn-al-'Asi ibn-Umaiyah, his
brother Aban ibn-Sa'id (according to the most authentic re-
port. Others, however, claim that Aban died in the year
29), Tulaib ibn-'Umair ibn-Wahb ibn-'Abd ibn-Kusai (who
fought a duel with an " unbeliever " who gave him a blow
that severed his right hand making his sword fall down with
the palm. In this condition he was surrounded and killed 114
by the Greeks. His mother Arwa, daughter of 'Abd-al-
Muttalib, was the Prophet's aunt. His surname was abu-
'Adi), and Salamah ibn-Hisham ibn-al-Mughirah. Accord-
ing to others, Salamah was killed at Marj as-Suffar. Other
martyrs were: 'Ikrimah ibn-abi-Jahl ibn-Hisham al-Makh-
zumi, Habbar ibn-Sufyan ibn-'Abd-al-Asad al-Makhzumi
(who, according to others, was killed in the battle of
etc ..

On ne parle pas de juifs ni des chrétiens demandant de l aide aux muslmans
Asma a tord et cette légende est donc une invention postérieure à 1924

nausic a écrit : Voilà ce que dit al-Baladhuri ( poète arabe du 9è-me siècle après jésus christ que certains voient comme un historien alors qu il n était qu un fonctionnaire religieux et propagandiste dont le livre a été reconstitué en 1924 et qui reprend en fait la Sirat ) a propops d emese :


The enemy routed. The battle of Ajnadin * ensued. In
this battle about 100,000 Greeks took part, the majority of
whom were massed one band after the other by Heraclius
[Hirakl], the rest having come from the neighboring dis-
tricts. On that day, Heraclius was in Hims [Emesa].
Against this army, the Moslems fought a violent battle, and
Khalid ibn-al-Walid particularly distinguished himself. At
last, by Allah's help, the enemies of Allah were routed and
shattered into pieces, a great many being slaughtered.

The martyrs. Those who suffered martyrdom on that
day were 'Abdallah ibn-az-Zubair ibn-'Abd-al-Muttalib ibn-
Hashim, 'Amr ibn-Sa'id ibn-al-'Asi ibn-Umaiyah, his
brother Aban ibn-Sa'id (according to the most authentic re-
port. Others, however, claim that Aban died in the year
29), Tulaib ibn-'Umair ibn-Wahb ibn-'Abd ibn-Kusai (who
fought a duel with an " unbeliever " who gave him a blow
that severed his right hand making his sword fall down with
the palm. In this condition he was surrounded and killed 114
by the Greeks. His mother Arwa, daughter of 'Abd-al-
Muttalib, was the Prophet's aunt. His surname was abu-
'Adi), and Salamah ibn-Hisham ibn-al-Mughirah. Accord-
ing to others, Salamah was killed at Marj as-Suffar. Other
martyrs were: 'Ikrimah ibn-abi-Jahl ibn-Hisham al-Makh-
zumi, Habbar ibn-Sufyan ibn-'Abd-al-Asad al-Makhzumi
(who, according to others, was killed in the battle of
etc ..

On ne parle pas de juifs ni des chrétiens demandant de l aide aux muslmans
Asma a tord et cette légende est donc une invention postérieure à 1924

N.Ismael a écrit : Désolé prends to temps pour nous donner la source: le titre du livre son auteur-de ta capture d'écran-...ce que tu a cité ne me dis rien si tu ne donnes pas la source+ petite traduction en francais on est dans un forum francophone

spin a écrit :Mais qui est réellement monothéiste ? Ce que les chrétiens font avec Jésus, les musulmans au moins sunnites le font avec le Coran.

Et d'ailleurs qui a dit que le monothéisme doit être la vérité ultime ? Plus on s'en rapproche, plus c'est calamiteux, liberticide, étouffant. Ça ne sert à rien de croire en Dieu si on ne lui associe pas quelque chose, personnage ou texte ou autre élément. Le monothéisme, c'est l'injonction péremptoire de pratiquer la bonne adoration et l'interdiction non moins péremptoire de pratiquer la mauvaise adoration. Mais la frontière entre les deux n'a jamais été claire, n'a jamais fait l'objet d'aucun consensus.

nausic a écrit : On ne parle pas de juifs ni des chrétiens demandant de l aide aux muslmans.
C est prétention est donc une invention postérieure à 1924