Qui est réellement Haroun Yahyia ?

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Qui est réellement Haroun Yahyia ?

Ecrit le 14 juil.04, 21:18

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J'ai eu l'occasion de lire ceci...


The fact is that, publications of this person and his
foundation (Science Research Foundation) has recently
banned and closed in Turkey. Most sect members have
been sent to court. This was in no way due to their
Islamic and scientific activities, but due to crimes
such as blackmailing, threating, possession of
unlicensed weapons and sexual intorcourse with minors
.


http://www.alb-net.com/pipermail/albani ... 01885.html


.../.....Their actions have been protested by Turkish Science Institutions (TUBITAK and TUBA) and Turkish Scientists. BAV's mission is probably to become the Islamic counterpart of ICR ( Institute of Creation Research) in Islamic Countries and continue to establish Islamic Scientific Creationism, which is expected to play important roles in spreading of Islamic Fundemantalism in the guise of scientific approach, because of the worldwide trust in SCIENCE, also in most of the Islamic countries. Now Harun Yahya is publishing all of his books in English (also in Arabic, Urdu, Persian, German and French) in the internet

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Both the scientific background and scientific education of Harun Yahya's, and the members' of BAV is very obscure and the personality of Harun Yahya, who prefers to loom in the Islamic or intellectual circles like a "ghost-like figure", and writes numerous anti-evolution books, is very blurred (no one has ever seen him or interviewed).

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Ecrit le 15 juil.04, 02:02

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ouah !!!

Je viens d'apprendre que ce type n'est pas un grand scientifique !!!

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Ecrit le 15 juil.04, 04:46

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Jean a écrit : Encore moin vous autres !

Quand on a rien a dire on s'attaque a la personne...

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La nouvelle est fausse ?

Si oui, plus rien à dire, mais comme la justice a condamné... elle est plûtot vraie
Désolé.

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Ecrit le 15 juil.04, 06:13

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Jean a écrit :Ca change rien au fait que tu est un ignorant comparé a ce type et cela est un FAIT !
Désolé.

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Comme tu est élégant !

T'ai-je traité de cela moi ?

Voilà ou mène l'obscurantisme, a devoir insulter quand on ne sait plus quoi dire de mieux.

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Ecrit le 15 juil.04, 06:27

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Jean a écrit :Faire dans l'attaque personnel d'une personne qui est pas capable de ce défendre est de la calomnie, et l'ignorance en ce qui te concerne n'est pas une insulte mais un fait, tu n'a aucune études et aucune autorité pour faire ton dénigrement religieux sur l'islam dans ce forum ! Point final !

Cela est une insulte et non pas de dire la vérité en ce qui concerne ton ignorance !

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1°) Je ne vois pas qui tu es pour dire si j'ai autorité ou pas à discuter telle ou telle chose.
2°) D'ailleurs tu ne me connais pas.
3°) Je n'ai jamais proféré à ton encontre des mots qui mettent en doute un respect pour la personne. J'ai critiqué les idées, les mots, pas la personne.
4°) Haroun Yahyia je ne fais que citer un article, ensuite que chacun pense ce qu'il veut. Les liens sur le site en question suffisent ensuite a se faire une opinion.

Maintenant, continue si cela te fait plaisir, a faire l'élégant, le Forum jugera.

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Ecrit le 15 juil.04, 07:02

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J'arrête de discuter avec toi, tu es "particulare" comme on dit en Italien.

Sans doute un modérateur, réellement modérateur trouverait dans tes propos bien plus à redire que dans les miens.

Bonne route et continue d'étudier, pour ton propre bien.

Jean

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Ecrit le 15 juil.04, 21:54

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Comme tu sembles faire des copié-collé je fais de même
'Adnan Hoca' released on bail
Adnan Oktar, known to the public as Adnan Hoca, who was charged with extortion and running a protection racket, has been released on bail at his trial at Ankara No. 1 DGM

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Ankara - Turkish Daily News

Adnan Oktar, known to the public as Adnan Hoca, has been released on bail at his trial in Ankara No. 1 State Security Court (DGM), the Anatolia news agency reported yesterday.

Oktar is charged with running a 36-member protection racket and with obtaining money through threats. He and another suspect, Firat Develioglu, were released as the evidence has now been compiled. The two had already spent a long time in remand -- some eight-and-a-half months.

Those who opened the case against Oktar -- journalist Fatih Altayli, model Seckin Piriler, Tugce Doras, Guzide Aydogmus, Ilhan Ulas, Makpire Valioglu and Huseyin Canakincioglu -- were present at the trial. Altayli had broadcast a radio show in 1994 in which he talked about a yacht owned by some young men belonging to Adnan Hoca's group and how they obtained the money to buy the yacht. Following the program, Develioglu telephoned Altayli and threatened him, telling him to keep his nose out of where it did not belong and maintaining that they had done nothing wrong. Altayli said that following this, he and his associates received letters with the letterhead, "Political Line" that were full of insults. The other plaintiffs had similar stories.

If found guilty, Oktar could face from seven to 18 years in prison. The other 35 suspects could face prison terms from six months to 16 years on similar charges.

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Adnan Oktar (pen name: Harun Yahya) is claimed on his web page to be a 'world renown and respected scholar' who has devoted himself to writing about scientific and faith-related subjects such as the theory of evolution and miracles of God. He is further described by supporters as a respected 'scientist' who has publications in incredibly diverse areas of interest (actually he is not a university graduate).

The fact is that, his publications and his foundation (Science Research Foundation) have recently been banned in Turkey, and most members of his “sect” have been sent to court. This was not due to their Islamic and scientific activities, but due to crimes such as blackmail, extortion, possession of unlicensed weapons and sexual intercourse with minors.

About three years ago, upon complaints of victims and many years of suspicion, Turkish police raided residences of this group. The discoveries at the houses and testimony of the group members were shocking.

Under the mask of promoting Islam and scientific facts, the group members had been found to engage in extensive criminal activity. These crimes included blackmail, possession of unlicensed weapons and sexual intercourse with individuals under age 18.
The head of the group, Adnan Oktar (recorded by police cameras, leaked and shown on Turkish TV channels such as Kanal D, ATV, Star) confessed to blackmailing people who they regarded as an obstacle to their enterprises. These people included the reporters for the newspaper Hurriyet, Emin Colasan, and Fatih Altayli, after they questioned some of Harun Yahya’s activities such as bribing the municipality of Ankara.

Also politicians such as Celal Adan (Member of the Parliament) and Mesut Yilmaz (former Prime Minister of Turkey) have been victims of this group. Oktar's group arranged fake (photomontage) photos of Mesut Yilmaz in Freemason clothes and ceremonies, and forged a fake certificate of Freemasonary for him. This fake was taken seriously and published in several pro-Islamic newspapers (without knowing it was a fraud). The PM was seriously damaged politically as a result during the remainder of his government.

Also coming forth, a fashion model named Ebru Simsek was blackmailed, and then slandered as a “prostitute” in fax messages sent to hundreds of different newspapers, TV channels, major business companies, foreign consulates, government offices etc. The reason for the slander? She refused to have sex with Adnan Oktar.

But the most shocking activities of Oktar's and his followers were not the above. In the sudden raid, 20 women and 2 other men were found at his residence. Most of the females (girls really) were under the age 18, (Oktar is his middle 40's) and they claimed that they had been having sexual intercourse with Oktar and members of his sect.

In his testimony, Oktar claimed that he had committed no crime as the intercourse was consensual, allowed under Turkish law. Further, Oktar insisted that this intercourse was also religiously permissible under Islam because he and his followers did not have a 'real sexual intercourse with these girls'.

He and his followers claimed that they had only engaged in 'anal and oral' sex. They preferred this kinds of sexual intercourse since according to Koran, he claimed, these acts are not impermissible outside of marriage. According to their interpretation 'vaginal' intercourse was 'haram' but 'anal and oral intercourse' was 'halal' when not married.
So you wonder what happened in the end?

Science Research Foundation was closed. Adnan Oktar (aka Harun Yahya), and about 40 of his sect members were taken to the court and judged. Once there, they denied the truth of their original confessions, claiming that they were extracted under torture.

The judicial process lasted over 2 years, during which most of the complainants' retracted their claims because of threats or bribes from sect members. As a result most of the cases against these people were dismissed, with only two of them jail for 1 year each.

That said, coverage of the arrests and trials were so extensive in Turkey that the reputation (and money making opportunities) of the group were permanently destroyed. It is now taken seriously only in foreign countries where their legal troubles received little or no press coverage.

De très belles références ! Mais... Honni soit qui mal y pense :shock:

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Ecrit le 16 juil.04, 04:35

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A chaque jour suffit sa peine.

Fais un peu plus d'efforts au lieu de toujours vouloir avoir la science infuse

Je t'aide un petit peu quand même

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Je ne crois pas être si "mauvais" que tu me peints :wink:

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